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Vehicle TAX - Rates for a 2003 Carry

Postby goldenhammerman » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:25 am

I have a Suzuki Carry first registered on the 9th May 2003. There is no entry for CO2 emission on the V5 Registration Certificate/Log Book (Just below where it states th CC of the engine).
It seems that Private Light Goods has beeen dropped and the Taxation Class is now "LIGHT GOODS VEHICLE" - check your own V5 and see what IT says!
The cc for my vehicle is 1298cc and the 12 months tax is £230 if paid outright on a Visa Debit (Not by direct debit).
This somewhat hacks me off as I thought the 1.3 in the Carry Van was identical to the 1.3 in the Suzuki Wagon - I own a Wagon R first registered 11th September 2004 and this costs me by the same payment method £145 ! Closer look at the Wagon R V5 shows 150 G/KM against the CO2 emission and the engine is 1328cc . The Taxation Class for the Wagon is described as "PETROL CAR"
On the Carry there is no CO2 emision entered and the cc is shown as 1298cc

The Carry costs £230 Tax for a year for a 1298cc engine, the Wagon £145 for a year with a 1328cc engine - FAIR or UNFAIR I ask ! DVLA say that the 2003 Carry engine (G13BB822792) has not been calibrated (?) for CO2 emission whereas the 2004 Wagon engine (M13A-1373419) has and so tough, you pay a fixed £230 for having a non calibrated for emission Carry Van !
Do other owners of Carry Vans - PRE 2003 or POST 2003 have a similar problem ? DVLA say that I wouldn't be required to have an emission test when it gets an MOT as it makes no difference to the Road Tax !!
Any thoughts or experiences from amongst Forum Carry, or indeed early Wagon owners ??
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Re: Vehicle TAX - Rates for a 2003 Carry

Postby wightman » Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:27 am

I have a 2000 X reg Suzuki Carry. It is registered as a motor caravan and has been from new. Last year I paid £145 road tax, renewal is due in December (you have me worried now). It has the same engine as your van and like you there is no CO2 per Km on the log book. It is fitted with a catalytic converter with a single lambda sensor. How they arrived at £230 is therefore a mystery.

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Re: Vehicle TAX - Rates for a 2003 Carry

Postby alanbirt » Wed Nov 30, 2016 2:33 pm

'wightman' -- your Carry was registered before the new tax-rate changed: I can't recall the actual date for the change ( ? April 2002 ? ) but my 55 reg Carry costs me the much higher rate. You are fortunate in having a lower-rate vehicle which retains its advantage.

My WagonR+ was 52 reg and I paid the lower rate of road-tax than that for my Carry so it seems 'goldenhammerman' is caught in "the system", just like me. The Carry is regarded as a commercial vehicle and not a car, just as a Wagon, even if used to convey goods, is not regarded as a commercial vehicle but remains a car.

It's just 'tough luck' and one cannot do anything about the situation. Logic, or common-sense, or clear and sound reasoning does not apply to Government thinking -- it never has and it never will. It is the 'policy' that is rigidly followed irrespective of whether the conclusion makes sense. Decisions made by faceless bureaucrats, such as this one, are arbitrary.
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and a Carry campervan [55 reg]; formerly
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Re: Vehicle TAX - Rates for a 2003 Carry

Postby goldenhammerman » Fri Dec 02, 2016 4:12 pm

B++++r !! - I thought there might have been a way around - it seems its the Commercial type of Vehicle against a Car type of vehicle, regardless of emissions!
Thanks for the input from you both
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Re: Vehicle TAX - Rates for a 2003 Carry

Postby AQuags1954 » Wed Mar 15, 2017 5:11 pm

Must admit that this change had passed me by too and my eyes are still watering from having to hand £230 pounds over to HMG for my little van.

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Re: Vehicle TAX - Rates for a 2003 Carry

Postby IanL » Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:05 am

My 1992 660cc Cappuccino (about 42 mpg) would pay £145 (if I still lived in the UK), which is another injustice - the same as a gas-guzzling Lotus Cortina, if there still are any :D
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Re: Vehicle TAX - Rates for a 2003 Carry

Postby ian51291 » Sun Mar 26, 2017 6:55 pm

Just taxed my 52 plate carry,£230.its disgraceful what they are charging for these vans.
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Re: Vehicle TAX - Rates for a 2003 Carry

Postby ladypenelope » Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:23 pm

IanL wrote:My 1992 660cc Cappuccino (about 42 mpg) would pay £145 (if I still lived in the UK), which is another injustice - the same as a gas-guzzling Lotus Cortina, if there still are any :D


Lol My lotus Cortina did about 35mpg.
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Re: Vehicle TAX - Rates for a 2003 Carry

Postby ladypenelope » Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:29 pm

ian51291 wrote:Just taxed my 52 plate carry,£230.its disgraceful what they are charging for these vans.


I searched high and low for a pre 2001 Jimny when I bought mine because of the tax as it was the£140 region but now after April 1st it'll be £140 for first regos again.
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Re: Vehicle TAX - Rates for a 2003 Carry

Postby alanbirt » Mon May 01, 2017 2:55 pm

I've just paid £132 road-tax for my 55-reg Carry campervan from today until 31st October. However, I shall declare SORN on Sep 30th and reclaim one month of the tax.
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Re: Vehicle TAX - Rates for a 2003 Carry

Postby ladypenelope » Tue May 09, 2017 8:27 pm

alanbirt wrote:I've just paid £132 road-tax for my 55-reg Carry campervan from today until 31st October. However, I shall declare SORN on Sep 30th and reclaim one month of the tax.


Is that 6 months?

Did you think of doing it online for a year?

If you do it for the year and pay monthly you don't get a penalty surcharge for monthly payments, you get the cheaper rate as for 12 months and you can SORN anytime so don't have to get a refund.
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Re: Vehicle TAX - Rates for a 2003 Carry

Postby alanbirt » Tue May 09, 2017 9:06 pm

Thank you 'ladypenelope'. I thought there was some 'dodge' where it was possible to play the system but when I looked at the DVLA web site I didn't see it. Yes, I've paid for six months but will reclaim one month's tax when I declare SORN at the end of September.

Next year I'll follow your suggestion.
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Re: Vehicle TAX - Rates for a 2003 Carry

Postby cap43 » Wed May 10, 2017 4:06 pm

Never to old to learn , Alan, :D
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