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Postby cap43 » Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:36 pm

Before doing any work to my van I think I need to insulate it to a reasonable standard, I hear that a heat resistance glue is recommended/required, I need a product name if one of you fine folk could assist me with that,
next is the cloth or material that is used for the walls, the name and amount would be really helpful, I believe there is a material that you can stretch when sticking it to the wall, but that would not be of any value for insulation, just for décor,
So how do I insulate the walls, it is a panel van, no windows to the sides,
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Re: Insulation

Postby Rascal » Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:43 am

Hi i dont have a camper but if you do a search on ebay,Super Stretch van lining carpet
or Stretch van lining carpet,you should find lots of stuff on there.
As for insulation i did the side doors and rear panels with loft rock-wool,but wouldn't be a good idea to do the tail gate or front doors as the have gutters!! for water drain off,hopefully someone with camper will give you more info,cheers
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Re: Insulation

Postby alanbirt » Thu Nov 20, 2014 4:11 pm

I am not convinced that trying to insulate the Carry against heat-loss is worth the effort. (I am assuming this thread refers to heat-insulation and not sound-insulation)

To be effective at least one-inch thickness of good heat-insulating material is needed, preferably more than that. Probably expanded-polystyrene would be a good material to use. However, unless the body is completely insulated all round in three dimensions, there will inevitably be heat loss from the metal parts of the body. There are professionally-converted refrigerated Carry vans around and these are sometimes offered on eBay. The thickness of insulation utilised in these specialist vehicles indicates what I mean. And these insulate only the sealed load-area, not the cab.

My campervan has no specific heat-insulation. The ½-inch plywood floor might provide a little help as regards heat-loss and I suppose the glass-fibre/resin-plastic rising-roof also helps a little compared with the original metal roof. However, as I use the vehicle only from May until October, I am not using it during the colder times of the year. I certainly would not wish to be touring around in my campervan at present: now mid-November with the day-temperature about 10°C and at night only a few degrees above 0°C. In the really cold weather, I would find it very uncomfortable indeed.

However, I do have a small gas-heater which I sometimes use in the early or late season, just to "take the edge off any chilliness", when undressing for bed or dressing in the morning. These run efficiently from the small butane gas-cartridges such as those used in camping stoves. The heaters are readily available at camping and 'Outdoors' stores ¶. But such heating devices must be used with caution in an enclosed space. They do give off non-smelling fumes which may be noxious and I use it for ten minutes as the maximum. NEVER have it burning when in the bunk - the risk is that you will go to sleep but not wake up again !

This thread has currently had only one reply to the query over three weeks so I am just contributing my thoughts on the topic.

¶ For example, see these currently being offered by Amazon:-

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=UTF8&keyw ... zusgcuh6_b
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Re: Insulation

Postby cap43 » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:21 am

Thanks Alan,
I have only slept in it one night in September and noticed a lot of condensation on the walls in the morning, that is why I ask regarding insulation, there must be a way to stop that happening, I know I can leave the window open but it may rain throughout the night,
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Re: Insulation

Postby alanbirt » Mon Nov 24, 2014 10:32 am

Yes, I experience the condensation phenomenom, especially on the front window. Of course, during a night's sleep much water-vapour is breathed out from the normal body processes and this will condense on the cold surfaces. Extensive insulation may mitigate this but will not eliminate it.

I have a small squeegee, the blade is about 4 inches wide so it fits neatly into the glove-box. I use this to clear the front and cab-side windows. I have windows (and curtains, too) all round but I don't bother about the others and the rear-window soon clears by its integral heater. I have found that about five minutes driving with the heater on and the front windows slightly open to bring in more fresh air soon clears the condensation. But that is a solution if one is driving away immediately after getting up and dressing in the morning, as I do.

I rarely eat in my campervan. Although I have a cooking-stove and a reserve supply of food with me, I normally 'eat out'. Having dressed and tidied up, I drive to a suitable place for breakfast, preferably a supermarket café if there is a local one. I find supermarket cafés very convenient for this purpose. I usually go to the toilet area for my ablutions, which at 8-30 in the morning is rarely used by anyone else, and have a strip-wash. (Washing in the campervan is inconvenient as water gets splashed around) I then have a cooked-breakfast and coffee which costs about £5 - which avoids the preparation, cooking and washing-up of greasy utensils ! I reckon it's £5 well spent.

So, 'cap43', I think one has to live with the condensation problem. I have tried using a 12-volt fan plugged into the cig-lighter socket to circulate the air inside the Carry but it had little effect.
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Re: Insulation

Postby Rascal » Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:49 am

:idea: For reducing condensation, you could try a condensation trap,or a just a (home made one) small container with salt in it, and just empty the water collected and re-use
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Re: Insulation

Postby alanbirt » Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:24 pm

Thank you, "Rascal", for your suggestion of using a 'condensation trap'. The next time I am in Cambridge or Ipswich (I reside midway between the two towns) I shall purchase one from 'Lakeland' and try the apparatus. From the webpage I see it only costs £4-99 so it is cheap enough to try even if not a great success. I note 'Lakeland' also offer a large bag of crystals at a discount price so replacing these every month or so should not be an expensive maintenance cost. The customer reviews are encouraging, too.

A further point relating to my posting (several messages above) which refers to the small gas-heaters - the main product from the combustion of the butane-gas is water-vapour so using one of these heaters will increase the condensation problem. Yet another reason to use such a heater for ten minutes maximum !
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Re: Insulation

Postby cap43 » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:12 pm

I've seen moisture traps in Asda, but they were rather big & rounded, , the tray one in the picture looks a lot better, well worth the thought, Thanks for the info, It`s all being stored up for Spring when freedom beckons,
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Re: Insulation

Postby cap43 » Sat May 09, 2015 12:13 pm

The water trap seems to work very well, but took about 2 month to get water into the base, about 1/4", this was only from the cold damp weather we have had, not sleeping in it, The walls in the morning were still sometimes - misty but not runny like I have seen them,
I think the product works well & will keep using it,
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Re: Insulation

Postby alanbirt » Sat May 09, 2015 12:40 pm

I am pleased to read 'Cap43's' report on the moisture-trap kit.

Following 'Rascal's' recommendation, I bought one being offered at a special discount price but have not yet used it. I have recently paid the road-tax for my campervan from 1st May but have not done a trip so far this season. I had hoped to go to Cornwall next week but the weather-forecast is not encouraging. I am booked to go to Ireland at the end of the month. I shall use it then and report in due course.

My report -- the moisture-trap is bl**dy useless !
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Re: Insulation

Postby bluecarryvan » Sun May 10, 2015 7:36 am

I use a canvas tarp stretched over the roofrack and extending out on one side when camping out in my carry. The canvas and air gap over the roof make the van much warmer inside at night , cooler during the day and better insulated , less prone to condensation
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Re: Insulation

Postby alanbirt » Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:00 pm

The original topic of this thread was about insulation of the Carry van but we have wandered from that subject somewhat. I've just noticed this insulation material on eBay. It looks as though it will do the job.

See:- eBay item number: 281324368992
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Re: Insulation

Postby steamydave » Thu Sep 15, 2016 7:25 pm

hi Alan,

I used the silver bubble-wrap stuff from a diy store (loft insulation). it doesn't look as good as your stuff, nor did I cover all areas like on the picture.

Yes, use high temperature glue, otherwise you will find all your hard work piled up on the carpet on a hot day!

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Re: Insulation

Postby cap43 » Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:05 pm

Hi, Thanks Alan, & you other good folk, I got the insulation, it is a lot thinner than I expected, :( I then thought I would have a go at putting the stuff in the bodywork, The plan being to stick the insulation onto the inside of the skin, not as seen in other pictures, unrolled onto the inner body, then plywood, - I will need ply for the top sections, lightweight for the 2 doors & heavier for the 2 rear top panels, this so things can be screwed onto them, if required.
I removed a side panel and saw the crisscross of metal that needs to be got around/ behind, I have given up for now, It seems that no piece larger than 9" square will fit in the gaps. I need a bit more practice at doing jigsaws, & the warmth of the sun.
It will not be a quick job, that's a cert, but being put direct on the inside of the body and then on the inside of each panel, will, I hope, give the van ultimate heat protection, :D As suggested, Heat resistance glue obtained.
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